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Is Trumplethinskin a traitor ?

September 23, 2019 By fredrichlariccia

Former Massachusetts Governor, federal prosecutor and Republican presidential candidate Bill Weld thinks so.

Today, Weld charged that Trump’s Ukraine whistleblower treachery of extorting a foreign power to get “dirt” on his chief rival — Vice President Joe Biden — amounted to “treason punishable by death.”

On MSNBC Morning Joe, Weld accused Trump of  lawless corruption that goes far beyond impeachable high crimes and misdemeanors standard to a breach of faith and violation of sworn allegiance to his country.

Wow, just wow!

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  1. doubleman says

    September 23, 2019 at 10:59 am

    Nope.

    Treason is easy to say. Very hard to prove.

    Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

    “War” and “enemies” have specific legal meanings that aren’t met here. That’s why in only 200-something years only a handful of people have been convicted of treason and none since 1952 (for actions in WWII). It really only works if we’re at war with someone. We’re not with Russia.

    This kind of talk is nonsense.

    • fredrichlariccia says

      September 23, 2019 at 12:05 pm

      Fascist Russia is an enemy to all free nations of the world, including Ukraine.

      Russia should have become the enemy of ALL civilized countries when they invaded independent Ukraine and stole Crimea. Now they are threatening eastern Ukraine with military intervention.

      If Trump’s aid and comfort to Russia by threatening to withhold $ quarter billion dollars in desperately needed military aid for Ukraine’s defense unless they dished dirt on Biden — isn’t treason — it SHOULD be.

      Screw Russia and screw Trump.

      Long live a free and independent Ukraine!

      • doubleman says

        September 23, 2019 at 1:30 pm

        So, you support declaring war on Russia?

        Is military aid to Ukraine good?

        You can argue about Russia being an enemy but we ain’t anywhere close to meeting the legal basis for treason (if it was North Korea there would be a better legal question since we never really formally ended the conflict, although we also did not formally declare war).

        Don’t get me wrong, this ain’t good, and it’s another in the long list of things to use for impeachment, but it is not treason.

        • fredrichlariccia says

          September 23, 2019 at 1:58 pm

          I do not support declaring war on Russia.

          I DO support accepting Ukraine into NATO and invoking Article 5 which states that an attack on ANY member nation shall be considered an attack on ALL. Every freedom – loving civilized nation should be coming to the aid of Ukraine against this unprovoked dastardly Russian attack.

          Of coarse military aid to the independent, democratic nation of Ukraine to defend itself against Russian aggression is a good thing.

          Trump’s despicable ass kissing of that fascist criminal thug Putin, and his now-confessed quid pro quo extortion of President Zelensky may not meet the Constitutional legal definition of treason but it sure as hell smells like treason to me.

          • SomervilleTom says

            September 23, 2019 at 11:24 pm

            This behavior by Donald Trump is, according to my understanding of constitution experts, precisely why the phrase “other high crimes and misdemeanors” is explicitly separate from treason and bribery.

            Both treason and bribery have clear meanings that were well-understood by the framers. That also made them narrow in focus.

            I suggest we focus our energy on the most relevant phrase.

          • bob-gardner says

            September 25, 2019 at 5:18 pm

            So you support starting a war with Russia, but not declaring war.

    • Christopher says

      September 23, 2019 at 8:32 pm

      IMO this law narrowed the definition beyond what the Constitution requires.

      • fredrichlariccia says

        September 23, 2019 at 10:40 pm

        “Talk about pressuring a foreign country to interfere with and control a U.S. election. It couldn’t be clearer. And that’s not just undermining democratic institutions. That is treason. It’s treason, pure and simple, and the penalty for treason under the U.S. code is death. That’s the only penalty.” former Governor William Weld

        • SomervilleTom says

          September 23, 2019 at 11:26 pm

          I do not think Donald Trump should be executed. I hope that even Mr. Weld agrees with me.

  2. bob-gardner says

    September 25, 2019 at 1:36 pm

    Possibly, this is not the first time Trump has done something like this https://www.vox.com/world/2018/5/7/17327278/ben-rhodes-black-cube-iran-deal

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